They don't allow you to communicate with the customer, with Turbosquid support acting as a "human firewall" (and a bad one) that is constantly supervising every interaction to ensure that Turbosquid always gets the best outcome (and neither the seller nor the customer). But now, I'm exploring a new platform which is Sketchfab. In one case, the model is promising, commercial, and then set a high price. This is critical information (to me at least) in regard to evolution and overall development of the products and services you want to deliver. IMHO that is main area where CGT must up their game significantly. I agree that these two parts - CG and 3D printing should be split at least externally/ visually. I'm just an end-user, one of the people you guys sell to, and the site is a large part of the issue, in multiple ways. It is pretty difficult to find what you want but if you are only looking for free models then CGTrader's search engine is far better than Turbosquid. I'd rather look into ways to create my own site, cause it's a bit tedious to sift through neverending site rules from neverending projects. As modeller and as salesman i am interested in earn money only. They also have multiple sellers selling the same products so that it is easier for people to avoid people paying for shipping in their country. 4. New content is not provided to the on "Turbo" site. This site is bloated with 3D print ready models, crap models and "adult content / i cant see it". I will leave the items here to see if cg trader does manage to change things around over the next 12 months and if not will simply sell them on turbosquid. I can see how 3D modeling and 3D printing can be connected, but even that has to have a clear border for the customer. - Guides/Tips for sellers regarding prices/quality to minimize the undercutters problem. If I run the same test on Turbosquid or The3DStudio, I get almost exclusively original characters. clients will come where is a big diversificated data base of quality models (not only printable models) and artists will come where paying clients are. Search is terrible, and lost if you have to go backwards a page. Sketchfab.com-------------------------------. They do not deserve that I fed them 60% The more people ho place your item in their stores the higher your ranking for that product gets "in the pool that is". So, CGT is the best guys ! And it is convenient for the buyer and profitable for the seller. or do you prefer to do business with companies you trust and feel comfortable working with while knowing you are supporting a #FairBusiness model that in the future will revert in your own direct benefit? Better for who? Chat with Support 24/7 But for the rest i do like the way cgtrader functions, more royalty rate, easy uploading and a community forum and job board. I'm even considering seriously closing my store here. Of course if you have a PC with quad processors over 16 GB of ram things will be different but be warned students and low end users. Hi guys, thanks so much for your very valuable comments, they are much appreciated and we are very happy to work with you in order to make CGTrader the best place for 3D designers! Being an artist himself makes a huge difference in this regard. Yes, @limonadinis, I agree with you. When you search for specific models car, bike etc you usually end up finding a bunch of irrelevant models in there that don't even belong in that category and that is largely due to the fact that, they allow users to setup their own tags We'll let you know about that soon - all CGT sellers will receive via email, so stay tuned! In my personal opinion TS is working very hard towards buyers and exploits sellers as much as they can, well except few chosen ones, while CGT is taking great care about sellers, but leaving buyers somewhat aside. It's the artist that need to make a stand and simply take the short term loss from less traffic and exposure and join the marketplace that respects the artists. We had the experience of a 3d modeling agents (UKW) stealing our models before and stopped selling with them, from there on we put a small signature on each model. CGtrader website is much bather coded and it just need some time to get on top. Rigged models are great for art projects, games, movies or VR experiences, because they save a lot of development time. Sometime buyer in frustration just leave bad review on the model for issues that can be solved easily, but since he cant contact seller he thinks he cant do anything about it and he wasted his money. Yes, sometimes your points are not displayed for a day or two, but there were problems with the rating of models. I think we just need so some massive killer models of epic proportions that the 3D modeling community cant ignore. If anyone has been to New York they will have noticed that Fao Swartz a toy store in the center of Manhattan is creating 3D printable action figures. Search is arguably most important feature of stocks and search in TS is head and shoulders (and then some more) above search in CGT. Personally I don' t see anything offending on human body, everyone has one but I respect that it could be offending to someone (especially kids) so it should be censured. - Limiting free objects to, let's say licensed objects like Stars Wars or Lego or whatever in an unlimited number, but to a few when it comes to "showcase" objects, let's say, 4 to 5 per designer, to help potential buyer judge the overall quality of the seller objects The designers make a deal with each other and negotiate a percentage on the sales. Guys really have the potential to screw greedy monopoly and earn some decent position on the market. and we lived the evolution of Turbosquid from being a pioneer of the 3D assets market working alongside the real content developers to become a typical corporation with financial backing from angel investors that only cares about financial results and is trying to strive the 3D market towards a monopoly where they can control both the producers and the customers, where acting as just a middleman gets Turbosquid the most profit from both. Because of its design and trade/royalty system, CGTrader seems better and more advantageous, but at the end of the day, I get much more income from Turbosquid and The3Dstudio. Everything about it is ugly, i just sell a model on cgTrader and another model on Turbosquid, cgtrader gives me 71% and i feel ok , turbosquid gives me 40% and i feel like i get raped, besides its tedious way of uploading methods im done with those guys, i will stick with CGtrader, thanks for the information, still 60 to 40 is a big difference. This is hight quality female model with animation friendly topology. Their only flaws are the lack of publicity and their search engine. Same for me, here. In fact, any properly textured model over 5000 polys for less than 15 bucks is NOT okay, and does NOT look professional at all. (2034950) 3D A rig is like a skeleton of a 3D model, which lets you move and pose it with little effort. I would expect those kinds of charges from a real art gallery with real world space that could sell my work for 10,000 a pop, not some virtual space that sells my work for 50 bucks. 3D Bala - Female Rigged Character 3D model ma, ma, obj, and fbx TurboSquid : , , 3D . The response back was, if they are not adjusted end of the week then we will adjust them. While i've heard that TS support isn't that great in practice and they always tend to exploit sellers, but impression that they're making on buyers must be really good. Reputation for promptly fixing problems? There is indeed much structural work that needs to be done here but the core foundation/principal is here. It's true. Thus by searching to widen its audience, the buyer only decrease the site credibility. - It's much easier to upload products here than at TS. It seems to me that over time a CGTrader will be able to overtake TurboSquid in many positions, if TS does not change its policy. And even if you sell the same models on other side you can advertise them as being the cheapest here. Think about your future: I would even make the prediction that most of what will be left of Ts (following months) are the exclusive sellers, they will probably get very frustrated and come over here no matter what deals they made with Ts. On TS depends on the country you come for, you get around 30% of your earnings (this is how much you get on your account, I know it is stated 60% but they take additional 30% for US tax), here I am not shore how much you get as I just joined and did not made any sales. but outside of the fact cgtrader is 95% designers and 5% customers its way better and easier to use more professional looking and feeling. In previous post the buyer mentioned he don't get reputation points for buying models? I tried to edit the obj for him and renounced because of the bad quality, especially, UVs and material names that were impossible to edit, such as mat000_0571 and other flaws ; he also bought a model of a bad quality from TS but was offered a refund immediately even on a sunday ; he posted his experience on our forum ; needless to say that others members of this community won't consider, now, CGTrader as a top quality website), same with people starting everyday a new irrelevant thread on the forums just to take advantage of the reputation system, which was a good idea, but which was hijacked by some unscrupulous sellers. (Edge Turbosquid is the exact opposite. And something ells , I have seen people criticize the young inexperienced and even blame them to some point for some negative experiences over here. All because of search. @Urecky, while i'm agree with you in general, let me argue on some specific points. In regards to product awareness and marketing it is also nice to have some special user cases to show off, there is no room to collect user case data in the Ts model. You have insufficient credit to complete your purchase. The rewords for selling objects from others could for example be 1 CGcredit for tier 1, 2 for tier2, 3 for tier3, 4 for tier4 and so on. "google8":www.google.com, google10 You can upload a 20 mb large model here with 3 formats, 20 photos, 100 wording text, 20 tags in around 20 minutes. I think I like the another item the modeler has created (Modern Villa), but that item is $40. No frankly, it's a bloody mystery. I agree structural arrangements need to be done to support this bud it needs to be done in a way so it supports the main axiom of openness. Yep.. Thanks for sharing Your experience and thoughts. Old thread but still relevant, do yourself a favour and cut back on the seafood, delete TS bookmarks and make progress here. (this would be the core of the human sorting out system). My sales are not still on par with TS, but I haven't published new models for quite some time, because I only have time to create models to enter challenges from time to time. Maybe some people don't want to bother about different programs compatibility, while others don't mind to spent time configuring things in different applications. I like how there is no join up fee. I like the concept of CGtrader very much, hope to see the duality issues resolved. @tomislavveg, that is very true, but as marvimation already mentioned, CGT first have to draw those buyers to its web, otherwise there's not much use from all those benefits if there's no buyers who could reap them :]. If I compare him with the founder of Ts, then it becomes clear to me we have a completely different relationship. If a company like Disney or NASA buys a model at TS, they advertise it as "Turbosquid customers buying Turbosquid models". Its great way to compete and fair . I think there needs to be a more valued motivation ($) in order to get people rank in great numbers consistently. So let's hope that at some point, the designers of the site will establish some filters to guarantee a minimal quality and, why not, a "good practice charter" for the sellers, or that they will explain some sellers that their attitude is not good in the long term for the site credibility. you should check out all the posts about 3D models quality. Everything is more and more coming down to individual levels of very friendly and much more human communication. Typically, large corporate buyers, they find a way to contact me even and on TS and make an offer on a specific project. in the name of freedom expression of the buyer (???). I'm also active for some time on other marketplaces as well (e.g. At least some aspects of it. That is a serious problem because it means a whole lot more work for sellers and I wish they would just get with the program. its hard to run such a business so i hope cgtrader will survive in the future. I want to say the following. If you have any questions about these. TurboSquid goes down, It becomes miserable the users are ,,working from behind,, ! The basic approach would be that every user start with a selection of a store template (including own label option and menu creation capability's) and starts filling his store with own products and products found in the large collective database. I ran my test with "characters" and displayed 128 models on one page. Royalty rate of CGTrader allows the seller to make a model cheaper than on TurboSquid. What's lacking? Some points for and against. I guess CGTrader should send out advertising to the companies, but I'm sure they are doing/done it already. They could put down an amount between 1 to 5 bucks as a deposit and after sampling the model as you suggested they could deduct that amount from the final sale. That's how they won and that is how you succeed in business. They recently changed their search engine over there and when you search for Free models it comes up with a few free ones and many more paid ones so from that perspective Turbosquid makes your life even harder lol. Of course Matt Wisdom was disoriented and he was associated with Pixel SQUID bankruptcy. There are very few modelers out there who can actually support themselves financially doing this and whenever one of us sells anything it is a little like winning the lottery. And therefore it doesnt matter where it is. So, Ts will probably have a few thousand lawsuits to issue in following months if they like. Sales dropped to almost nothing. Then we're all back at Square one again. Doesn't seem so. What I saw after that was a 50 to 50 ration decrease on Ts and increase on my CGt account. Say you happen to be a great render and lighting specialist but not so well a modeler, you see this nice models that have potential but the presentation is very bad (from good modeler with no render skills). Despite offering models much cheaper (obviously) here than at TSquid, the clients prefer to buy on TSquid. You are clearly one of the professional buyers who doesn't take advantage of the system but there are so many out there who do that and 3D sites are beginning to try to safe guard their artist's work by not making it so easy to just get everything you want for free. [google7|http://www.google.com] Luckily, non of my sells on TS were refunded so far and i had 3 refunds on CGT, 2 of them was caused by technical reasons from CGT side. Having too many high poly models in 1 scene can considerably slow down rendering times, work flow and even crash your computer making the entire scene unusable. Important only is that there buy many people. Been over 17 years with TS. We made this limitation to protect our designers from leechers who download hundreds of free models and then try to monetize them in some other way. And yes .. "CG Trader has made their world about 3d printing". [/quote] It is currently selling on the of TS is much higher than on CGT. Since you havent contacted us about any of these changes being incorrect, we are resetting prices on these models one final time (see the attached CSV file listing these models). Got my model (https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/furniture/cabinet/handles-vol-01-pbr) Think about the kind of treatment you can expect from these soulless corporate hacks once they can play their monopoly game again. This is a totally separate "operation" that is going on under the acquisitions of CGstudio and T3DFM, which serve also as noisy cover to "wag the dog". 3. It would be great to have more of your feedback so we could make it better for buyers. Let me explain - I like the look of the models here, but the site is even designed so end users, like me, can't even download more that 10 "free" items unless they've uploaded models of their own, written tutorials, posted topics to the forum (which is difficult if you're not an actual modeler) and/or jumped through about 1,500 other ridiculous hoops to get enough "reputation" points. It is pretty awesome!!! So it was sorted in your favor afterall? Uploading new product is so much more intuitive and easier than TS. Ha, ha. Cubebrush. To my amazement something ells also happened, there where still a few people buying my more expensive models on Ts. Being between a rock (TS) and a hard place (CT) is a damn round the clock aggravation. I wish someday Turbosquid disappear or bankrupt. Payment Method 3. Personally, I will never sign up to exclusive contracts, others should always get chances to maybe offer better job if they can. To be honest, it's hard to me to believe that such respectable people like Mantas and Eduardas would refuse to remove negative feedback if it was given without firm reason. Nice try. On the other side, CGtrader empowers the real content creators, giving them all kind of freedom regarding their products and image, and encouraging communication between customers and content creators. I do not know if community-policing has helped other sites keep their products better organized. As we think that CGtrader holds the best core for these kind of improvements, I would like to hear the opinion of Marius or any other CGtrader representative about the ideas recently proposed in this forum, specially: Everything we do is going on between people, we are all in this together, none of us is separate now matter how hard we would like to think so. Similar thing happened to me,that's why i'm at CGtrader full time now. Products are subject to the TurboSquid, Inc. An important factor for many buyers is the possibility of cash transactions in the system WebMoney. Ah crap, not sure how that referal spam sneaked into turbosquid link, here is the clean one: https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/cathedral-paris-notre-dame-3d-obj/933856, I think that subsequently only large studios and squidguild members will remain there. Payment Method So even if TS takes 60%, I still make better profit there because here I get 94% of nothing. Thanks once again! I think the CGT does an amazing job of bringing people together! CGTrader just doesn't have the exposure it needs yet to top Turbosquid but I am confident it will surpass it in time because of the quality of it's products but word of mouth is key in this business and people need to be talking more about them. They should make more effort to advertise. A: TurboS*swearword-here* will start to DOWNTICK PRICES to match them to "other selling sites" on customer complaint, so I will remove every model they demand for down-adjustment, and I'm sure I won't be alone in this. If they want free models then they can go elsewhere!!! They already sell 3D printers on amazon so it isn't a far stretch to just add the models in the suggested items that go with 3D printers. Open a Support Ticket, Licensing questions?Contact your Shutterstock Customer Success Manager. https://garagedoorrepairnewportnews.com/garage-door-spring-repair/, Hey, If the assumption is correct that a client goes to TS by default as a reflective action, "huh, there's another site, didn't know that! Logout from your account and go to CGTrader home page. Turbosquid bites the hands that feed them: Brittney Briere, Sep 18, 09:53 SST: Yeah nasty stuff, but hey, I better shut up because I'm one of the hypocrites that keeps supporting that place by having my work on it. So that is why sites like Amazon are making a fortune. there is low quality traffic on cgtrader and also became too much focused on 3d printing models so gets affordable if u have many low quality printable models of cheap prices. (just playing with ideas here) We will rather stick with cgtrader and know our models are safe, although the issue with finding CG models on the site is a little problem, but as long as they stay honest well be supporting them rather than supporting a bunch of thiefs and if we need to up our prices then so be it. @IndieArt : So you definitively think that CGtrader's "change of focus" to 3D print sunk your sales? Do not forget to check out rigged vehicles, guns and other objects, including environments, in addition to rigged characters to increase the control and interactivity you can achieve in your project. I tested it with golden palace, clothing and various hair, other textures, they all worked fine August 22, 2022 at 6:03 am #1859211 Sabrina Participant Rank: @Goblyn Glad you enjoy it! I sell fantasy-themed miniature models, and uploaded most of my then-current catalogue (consisting entirely of my original work) to Turbosquid only to have over half of it taken down a week later. The next thing CGT needs to do is get in with Ebay, Amazon, walmart etc places where everyone buys not just 3D enthusiasts and that regular people trust with their money. If you have any questions about these. Noise Treshold: Fantasy is a bit better, but sic-fi gets me 10 copyright infringements on the first page alone (star wars characters, mainly). People are followers they have always been and always will be. There are currently no models in your cart. More specifically, the 3D Model may not be exported or sold. I remember fighting them at length to try to put my brand name withing the model description or my website link and eventually lost the battle. the only thing that has cgtrader extra is the freelance job posting area. Work directly with a 3D artist for your project. I hope I'll have better selling results there. They can present the model screenshots straight from their helpdesk and ensure the client is not being screwed? [Lighthouse12](http://lighthouseapp.com/ "Lighthouse12") Since then, I think the design has gotten much better, especially the separation between regular CG and 3D print, and the search algorithm seems also to be much more efficient. I think that subsequently only large studios and squidguild members will remain there" It is a wonder how people still haven't fixed bugs like that after so many years and it made the whole uploading process a total hassle. . Just my opinion, but look at homepage. CGtrader staff admits to some degree to this problem (see the comment of Dalia Lasaite) and promises to redesign the homepage. Checkmate is the only good thing Turbosquid has left to offer. Does anyone sale something on Cgtrader?where are customers. [http://www.google.com google5 ] In place already. Sales site defending exclusivity trying to find ways to seduce (like the famous CheckMate) but this has no return. I have no problem with a site offering an option for seller/buyer to find quality print-ready products. We will only contact you if there's a problem with an order. Another point in favor cgtrader is that the royalties and buy a model possible in the payment system WebMoney. (These stats can be confirmed as true by CGtrader staff, we have no problem with that). this issue frequently occurs when a seller wants to break a competitor. the success of CGTrader (and other sites as well) contributed to that. Every market needs time, every business needs it. On the contrary, comparing 2013 to 2014 for the exact same period (January to August) our sales INCREASED in a 45%. If CGT wants to play big and attract high quality traffic and designers/buyers, it has to invite the sellers to opt for a more mature approach in my humble opinion. https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/character/woman/female-hand-realistic https://www . A few months went by with my models offline and during that time my GCt sales gradually went up at a level consistent with the few sales I had left behind on Ts so I just deleted all my models at Ts. CGtrader is more in line with modern economics and following the model of open participation businesses, all these things make it have the hallmarks of successfully serving a growing team with highly ambitious members and top talented achievers (and also stronger support of the CG community itself). TurboSquid has stopped working in WM and lost some buyers in the middle East countries and Asia. Personally, I felt I in no way infringed on said IP. While this tactic worked very well at first and allowed to draw that many sellers in relatively short period of time, now it's time to think about buyers, as without them sellers will start to starve. From point of buyer who wants to buy a classic 3D model (cg) there is no way I will start searching on cgtrader. Add a Payment Method, Add a Payment Some may post their old stuff they just don't want to ask money for, consequentially it is also not representative of the work they currently do. The advance search option should obviously only be available for paid models so to avoid people only free loading and just finding all the free models. Welcome to Eduvance Youtube Channel.Technology Leadership Program lecture series focuses on imparting knowledge to school students about new technologies lik. I tested the CGTrader rigged character morphs for Daz3D studio from your commission and it works like a charm! Pleas just stand your ground, we need people coming in not leaving out. But Also Turbosquid actively promotes models on their site with the use o. Then someone from cgtrader decided that he likes 3dprinting sooo much. Money in short term does not always pay of in long run. Products should be grouped not only by name and category but also by poly count. [quote]1. @limonadinis A few weeks later, my first 3d model was sold on TS, while I had to wait 4 or 5 months to get my first sales on CGT, And the sad thing is that those sales concerned only low-priced models. Some may look great for close ups but in a large environment scene or house setting when you have a lot of models to let's say show off the interior design of a model home you need to be very careful on poly count.
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